The Bregman Leadership Podcast
Episode 146

John Maxwell

The Five Levels of Leadership

This episode is a re-run.

John Maxwell, author of The 5 Levels of Leadership (and 29 other books), talked with me about the pinnacle of leadership and how we can get there. In some ways, John catalyzed this podcast. It was after gaining great insights from him that I decided I wanted to include an audience in my conversations with smart thinkers.


“Here’s the thing that’s challenging about leadership. When you’re good, it gets better for everyone. When you’re bad, it gets worse.”


Book: 5 Levels of Leadership
Bio: John C. Maxwell, a #1 New York Times bestselling author, coach and speaker, was identified as the #1 leader in business by the AMA and the world’s most influential leadership expert by Inc. in 2014. His organizations—The John Maxwell Company, The John Maxwell Team, and EQUIP—have trained over 6 million leaders in every nation. Visit for more information.